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On 5/7/2018 at 6:58 PM, MrNoodle said:

I know @RustyO has ridden one and said it was a pretty good thing (coming from a 500 lover). @woodsy300 has one and has just clocked up 12 hours. @Gypsy501 is the man we need to chime in. I reckon it will be my next bike (won't happen for ages but you've got to dream!)

 

Hi all 15 hours on my 18 tpi now and only getting better that vid of the bike reving at different rpm mine does not do that just holds smooth rev but mine is stock with nothing adjusted not even the idle speed or mapping I’ll put up a video if I can to show you all if I can work out how to post one up just did the Kenda rally and although it’s not a race I came in after the first loop and was the 5 riders back out of 450 odd riders and a lot of the boys up front were into it and not holding back as I was also but safely and curtesy of other riders no issues with the oil tank as the problem was fixed with what I’ve been told in the 2nd batch of bikes brought out to aus the front tyre from new is a bit washey but that’s an easy fix I put a new back tyre on before kenda a geo 52 and it halls well as it’s my go to tyre .the plastic on the sides also mark easy from leg rub compared to my 06 Ktm 300 it’s got good fuel economy around 6 ltrs for 90 km ruff maths yes spark plugs are 45$ at my local dealership and only got 4 which arrived late last week as there was a wait I booked one but haven’t picked it up just for a spare I hope I don’t need it any time soon lol at that price I’ve also read the owner manual who does that haha but any way a couple of things out of the book people may not know first is different altitudes so you start the bike run it for a second or so then shut it off for five seconds before restart that tunes itself very important I believe 2 is the idle is very important not to muck around with it changes how the bike can run at different revs not just idle . When I got my bike it would just idle and was tempted to take it up but after running it in for 5 hours it’s perfect still low but does not stall ,, the overall is a massively upgrade from my trusty never let me down 06 thas far although I still have the old o6 when I hoped on the old girl again the vibrations were very noticeable :) 

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Hi all 15 hours on my 18 tpi now and only getting better that vid of the bike reving at different rpm mine does not do that just holds smooth rev but mine is stock with nothing adjusted not even the idle speed or mapping I’ll put up a video if I can to show you all if I can work out how to post one up just did the Kenda rally and although it’s not a race I came in after the first loop and was the 5 riders back out of 450 odd riders and a lot of the boys up front were into it and not holding back as I was also but safely and curtesy of other riders no issues with the oil tank as the problem was fixed with what I’ve been told in the 2nd batch of bikes brought out to aus the front tyre from new is a bit washey but that’s an easy fix I put a new back tyre on before kenda a geo 52 and it halls well as it’s my go to tyre .the plastic on the sides also mark easy from leg rub compared to my 06 Ktm 300 it’s got good fuel economy around 6 ltrs for 90 km ruff maths yes spark plugs are 45$ at my local dealership and only got 4 which arrived late last week as there was a wait I booked one but haven’t picked it up just for a spare I hope I don’t need it any time soon lol at that price I’ve also read the owner manual who does that haha but any way a couple of things out of the book people may not know first is different altitudes so you start the bike run it for a second or so then shut it off for five seconds before restart that tunes itself very important I believe 2 is the idle is very important not to muck around with it changes how the bike can run at different revs not just idle . When I got my bike it would just idle and was tempted to take it up but after running it in for 5 hours it’s perfect still low but does not stall ,, the overall is a massively upgrade from my trusty never let me down 06 thas far although I still have the old o6 when I hoped on the old girl again the vibrations were very noticeable  

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Hi all 15 hours on my 18 tpi now and only getting better that vid of the bike reving at different rpm mine does not do that just holds smooth rev but mine is stock with nothing adjusted not even the idle speed or mapping I’ll put up a video if I can to show you all if I can work out how to post one up just did the Kenda rally and although it’s not a race I came in after the first loop and was the 5 riders back out of 450 odd riders and a lot of the boys up front were into it and not holding back as I was also but safely and curtesy of other riders no issues with the oil tank as the problem was fixed with what I’ve been told in the 2nd batch of bikes brought out to aus the front tyre from new is a bit washey but that’s an easy fix I put a new back tyre on before kenda a geo 52 and it halls well as it’s my go to tyre .the plastic on the sides also mark easy from leg rub compared to my 06 Ktm 300 it’s got good fuel economy around 6 ltrs for 90 km ruff maths yes spark plugs are 45$ at my local dealership and only got 4 which arrived late last week as there was a wait I booked one but haven’t picked it up just for a spare I hope I don’t need it any time soon lol at that price I’ve also read the owner manual who does that haha but any way a couple of things out of the book people may not know first is different altitudes so you start the bike run it for a second or so then shut it off for five seconds before restart that tunes itself very important I believe 2 is the idle is very important not to muck around with it changes how the bike can run at different revs not just idle . When I got my bike it would just idle and was tempted to take it up but after running it in for 5 hours it’s perfect still low but does not stall ,, the overall is a massively upgrade from my trusty never let me down 06 thas far although I still have the old o6 when I hoped on the old girl again the vibrations were very noticeable  


Glad your loving the tpi woodsy.
Apparently atm ngk are making the tpi plug specificly only for ktm and you can't buy it elsewhere. In a year or so you will supposedly be able to buy it through any ngk agent and the price should reduce so you can have a few spares in the toolbox.
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On 5/14/2018 at 10:51 PM, woodsy300 said:

I believe 2 is the idle is very important not to muck around with it changes how the bike can run at different revs not just idle . When I got my bike it would just idle and was tempted to take it up but after running it in for 5 hours it’s perfect still low but does not stall ,, the overall is a massively upgrade from my trusty never let me down 06 thas far although I still have the old o6 when I hoped on the old girl again the vibrations were very noticeable :) 

I have a 250 TPI done 20hrs on it, only issue has been the idle. Steep downhills have to give throttle else it would stall all the time. I initially thought it was my riding style coming from a 4 stroke but having to give throttle on an efi bike didn't make sense.

Fix it by adjusting idle with butterfly valve stop instead of idle air bypass screw which gives it more fuel at idle. Gives the bike more go off bottom and stopped the stalling. Adjusting idle this way is how its done on ktm 4 strokes. Apart from that bike has been great.

 

 

 

 

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I have 2018 TPI 6 day 500km 20hrs has always run fine was a bit hard to start on colder mornings minus temperatures before i did throttle stop mod(check out Slavens video on line its worth it. Just buy a 50mm M5 x.8 bolt and find a small spring 

NGK plugs are available direct from NGK in Brisbane now I believe order 2 payed $17 each.

Changed power valve spring to the green one. Smoothed the power out to a flatter torque curve.

overall a great bike i came from a 500 but before that many 300s and think the TPI is a big step forward and the only way to keep the 2T alive

      

 

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I have 2018 TPI 6 day 500km 20hrs has always run fine was a bit hard to start on colder mornings minus temperatures before i did throttle stop mod(check out Slavens video on line its worth it. Just buy a 50mm M5 x.8 bolt and find a small spring 
NGK plugs are available direct from NGK in Brisbane now I believe order 2 payed $17 each.
Changed power valve spring to the green one. Smoothed the power out to a flatter torque curve.
overall a great bike i came from a 500 but before that many 300s and think the TPI is a big step forward and the only way to keep the 2T alive
      
 

Good right up mate, iv been told not to touch the power valve spring from the dealers, that’s why the bike does come with any.
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Thought l'd update this post rather than start a new post.

Recently bought a spanking 19 KTM 300 TPI  and let me preface and say that l've always been brand loyal to anything BUT KTM!!!

After 10-12hrs, l'd have to say that l really, really like this bike (love and ktm is the same sentence is hard to type :P) in comparison to my 90hr 17 Beta 300RR that l was riding!! I ran the bike in at The Pines when l did my hand during a prerun for the 2+ ride. Did a few more hours running the 2+ ride at The Pines 4 weeks ago and over Anzac weekend, again at The Pines doing majority of the 3+/4 technical tracks.... so l feel that l can judge both bikes under the same conditions.
If l were to compare the two l'd say:
- The motor is super smooth and quite noticeable how less fatigue you are in comparison to the Beta motor - in fact it's not in the same league vibes wise such is how smooth the KTM counter balancer motor is.
- The wiring routing is top notch and no re-routing to clean up the junction points like on the Beta.
- The TPI is just one crisp motor from cold to hot and any conditions, any throttle position whilst my previous 2T's were all well jetted, there are certain parts at The Pines that my previous 2T's either felt fat or lean which this bike doesn't - really don't have to worry about carb settings with direct/fuel/transfer port injection as there is no bog.
- Oil injections well both bikes have them and not really an issue aside that the KTM wiring is much better than the closed circuit Beta system with those diode thingies - i'd be interested if the Dellorto oil pumps are the same.
- Bottom end wise, l still feel the Beta has the edge in out and out bottom end grunt/pull (still no match to a WR360) in stock form, both power valve springs at factroy settings. Not saying the KTM has none as it's no slouch in this department, just that the Beta motor has a slight advantage of being more torquier vs more linear KTM.
- Engine braking - maybe it's the extra inertia of the counter balancer but the engine braking is next to perfect for my liking - it doesn't have that 'no engine braking' effect of a traditional 2T nor that pulling ya up of a traditional 4T.
- Brakes on this generation is much better than the 2013 Berg that l had, nice progressive feel rather than the 'traditional', touch the front and endo moments. Nothing wrong with the Nissin units on the Beta.
- Clutch: both have brembo units but the Beta has a harder pull.
- No contest when it comes to rear grab rails, the KTM is shite and feels quite filmsy compared to the Beta system...tugger strap required.
- Beta's push button seat should be adopted by all manufacturers, that crappy 8mm bolts required to take the seat off is really outdated!!
- KTM stock seat cover is really slippery in comparison to even a 19 Husky TE300i...OE seat cover l would not class as a gripper seat cover more like a slippery slope.
- KTM stock seat base/foam feels like a sofa compared to the rock hard Beta seat base.
- WP Xplor forks with the correct spring rates and quite good in stock valving form with a bit of deflection but light years ahead of the Sachs Beta units in terms of plushiness. This adds to how 'nimble' the bike felt in tight technicals even though l thought the Beta handles so sweet, the KTM WP's feels smoother however, a revalve will be required down the track but not overly necessary at this stage.
- PDS vs Link, well it's really a non issue really!!
- The TPI idle system is a little to be desired, I understand that it's done for emissions but that idle screw is an air screw and set from from stock (with the PV at factory), the idle is quite low and raising it makes the bike feel too lean as if it's like got half a pilot jet size leaner or lean needle with the clip height at the 2 position.
- Map switch/Rain Map: Beta CDI settings is more pronounced than the KTM unit enough to say that there isn't much of a difference between the two modes on the KTM - plus the OEM switch is overally expensive and not a great idea being onto of the brake clamp especially if you have your brakes angled and throttle cable obstructing the switch.
- Ergos: Me and the Beta never really gelled in terms of the cockpit and lower seat height, got use to it but first ride on the KTM and it felt home.
- Price: never thought l'd spend 14k on a dirtbike!!
MODS:
Next to nothing really aside for extra fuel filter to protect the injectors but l did this on my first and only 4 stroke.
I will play around with the the PV settings (thx Gpysy) to give me a bit more low down torque.
GET, JD or PowerCDI ecu tuners? These units are a massive investment and something that personally, l don't really need at the moment. However, l will investigate the throttle body butterfly mod to raise the idle and reduce the air screw as start.

Overall:
Probably the best bike I've owned in terms of an overall package.  Yes, l have a few little complaints but when l jump back on the Beta l can tell you that those complaints go away and l will want my bike back straight away!!
The injection is a standout as the motor is so crisp at any rev range and at any time really. The ability to just pour fuel and go without worrying about jetting is such a pleasure - something that l always dreamt about in the late 90's and early 2000's that it's now a reality...how could you not buy an injected 2T!!!

Really at the end of the day, this bike gives me more confidence then the Beta did. It may be different for you but l would give these TPI bikes a go if offered a ride on one!!!

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2 hours ago, Magenta said:

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Seems to be a common problem, harness kinks and breaks wires

Apparently there is no cure for this. it is inevitable that the wires in the loom are going to break that kink at the head stem. I know where I will be looking should my bike suddenly pose issues that relate to electrical.

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