I really don't think anyone is having a crack at any riders paying it forward. The issue is that for 9 years we've had 2 open level social rides per year with no issues, but now a couple of better riders want to split off and have a harder ride. Is it really that big of a deal that we just keep one ride of the annual weekender and the Xmas ride as an open level social ride? There's nothing stopping anyone from organising that harder ride that finishes before the main social ride, that way everyone still gets to ride and socialize together. There's 50 other opportunities in the year to hold harder rides.